Empowering young Australians to be a clear Christian voice
Q: How it’s like out of prison? What did your family say when you got out?
Very good, much better out than in! They were pleased to have me home.
Q: What did your wife say when it became clear you were going to jail in May 2012?
It’s not the first time I’ve been in jail for this. She was concerned that jail is not a safe place, and she wasn’t happy to have me away, but because she agrees that abortion is wrong, she was supportive.
Q: You’ve spent a total of 18 months in prison so far. What is it like inside?
It’s not a desirable place to be, difficult, unpredictable… but probably the strongest feeling you have is boredom. Men don’t have much to do and it can get very tedious.
Q: What did you tell other prisoners about what you were in for?
They were intrigued as to why someone would be in jail on a matter of principle, particularly relating to abortion. They wanted to know why this is important enough to lose my freedom over. They wanted to tell me their stories.
Q: How did they react? Did they think you were some kind of nutter?
I’m sure there was a range of views, but those who spoke with me agreed that it was important to take a stand and that abortion is wrong. I was impressed that the majority of men in prison were pro-life. They told me either how upset they were when a partner had an abortion without telling them, or they were involved in a decision about abortion and how much they regretted it.
Q; Is pregnancy termination an issue for both men and women?
Some people try to frame it as a women’s issue, but obviously men are involved in every pregnancy. A father is as important to a child as a mother. A father has a responsibility, pregnancy termination is not a one person decision.
Q: Why be a zealot, a hardliner? Why did you choose to go into prison?
Because I believe abortion takes the life of a child. Throughout history, people have looked at issues, for example slavery – and decided to make a stand. If no one makes a stand, it just continues. I am making a stand.
Q: What form did your protest take?
I sit in front of the door of abortion clinics and refuse to move. Yes we carry signs showing the unborn child. We hope people are aware how their child looks like.
Q: Do you critique people, yell invectives?
No. None of this has even been suggested in court.
Q: Are you concerned about causing distress to women who turn up at clinics?
Of course, we do not want to upset anybody. At the same time, if we see someone being killed in the street, you don’t want to upset the assailant, but you would still intervene. We do not set out to upset mothers.
Q: It is the woman’s body, she gives birth, why shouldn’t she have control?
You see, it is not just one body. We recognise there are two lives involved. Our laws reflect this.
Q: Would it be a stronger protest if your wife took the stance you take? Because you’re a man and she’s a woman.
There have been women involved in the actions we have been taking. As I said earlier, pregnancy involves men as much as it involves women. A father loses his child in an abortion. It is not just women.
Q: Are you going to do it again?
It’s very demanding on my family. But in principle, it is the right thing to do. I have not changed my position.
Q: Why do people react so viscerally?
Think about it. If I was sitting outside a dentist’ office saying don’t pull out your teeth, people would just laugh. The reason people get so disturbed over abortion, is because they do know they are taking a life. That is why people react so strongly.
Q: You’ve had interesting legal responses from authorities.
We’ve pointed out inconsistencies – if a person assaulted a pregnant woman and the baby dies, he could get a life sentence. The highest court in Queensland says the pregnant woman has a duty to care for a child in the womb – it is an absolute inconsistency to then say it is OK to abort the child.
Q: Perhaps you need to compromise?
If abortion takes the life of a child, and we have 15,000 killed in our state each year…
Q: Would it drop if we had better sex education in schools?
No, people need to be responsible for their decision. Their child should not pay the price for their behaviour. They need to be prepared to look after the child.